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Florida has more than 30 Confederate monuments.

“The past is never dead,” wrote William Faulkner, “it’s not even past.”

This weekend armed and organized elements of right wing groups converged on Charlottesville, Va., in a shocking show of strength. Counter protesters who mustered to confront the “Unite The Right” rally were met with organized violence from the right wing groups.

As police stood by, dozens were injured in clashes. At the end, one 32-year-old woman protesting the march and two police officers trying to keep the peace were dead.

The stated reason for this shameful demonstration of white supremacy was the defense of a statue shaped to resemble Gen. Robert E. Lee, leader of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. The Charlottesville City Council voted last year to remove it, part of a broader effort to bring down Confederate monuments everywhere across the South, including Florida.

Excluding those on battlefields and cemeteries, there are 32 Confederate memorials on public land in Florida. If you count them, the number jumps closer to 50. Most were commissioned during the Jim Crow era and the majority were built by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. But five of them have been erected in just the past 15 years. (Miami has two, both in cemeteries.) Your tax dollars keep many in repair.

There is a 50-foot obelisk with a statue of Gen. Lee in Pensacola. His bust also graces a park in Fort Myers. Memorials to the Confederacy decorate the courthouses of Bartow, Hernando, Alachua, Jackson, Jefferson, Putnam, Gadsden, and Hillsborough Counties. The text of one in Jackson county eulogizes “the warriors tried and true who bore the flag of our peoples trust and fell in a cause – though lost – still just.”

An Antebellum sugar plantation that was owned by a rebel general and used by a Confederate statesmen to escape Union justice is a state park. It includes a memorial to rebel soldiers.

Those who defend the monuments argue that they are an integral part of history. Those who would take them down see them as pillars of white supremacy. James Alex Fields, the man accused of driving his Dodge Charger into a crowd of counter protesters, was willing to kill over a bronze statue of General Lee. The events of this weekend have revealed just how far people will go to uphold these symbols of oppression – and given new life to the movement to remove them across the country.

This is a roundup of the existing removal efforts across the state, as well as a guide to the monuments that remain in place. Statues in Gainesville and Orlando have come down this year.

Existing efforts:

  • Every state gets to send two statues to Statuary Hall in the U.S. Capitol. Florida is currently represented by Confederate General Edmund Kirby Smith, who fled the country after the war so as not to be hung for treason, and the man who invented air conditioning. Though the general’s statue is slated to be removed, Florida state house representative Scott Plakon has reportedly snarled the process because he disagrees with the chosen  replacement, Marjorie Stoneman Douglas. The phone number to his district office is (407) 262-7423.
  • James Muwakkil, the president of the Lee County NAACP, is spearheading efforts to replace a bust of Gen. Lee in Fort Myers, and also to take down a painting of the general in his Confederate uniform that hangs behind commissioners in the county government chambers. He is in the process of starting a petition. He asks that you “send a prayer. This is real. This is serious. We expect death threats.” Lee County is also named after the General.
  • County officials in Tampa decided this June not to remove the statue of a confederate soldier that stands in front of the Hillsborough county courthouse, though they promised to put up a mural celebrating “diversity” behind it. The Florida Council of Churches has been active in organizing for the statue’s removal. Their executive director, Rev. Russell B. Meyer told News Channel 8 that “Lady Justice belongs here, not this,” during a protest. You can give the multi-faith organization a donation and some support here.
  • Anthony Pusateri of Sarasota started a petition to replace the Confederate memorial on the lawn of the Bradenton courthouse with a statue of recently deceased and widely beloved Snooty the Manatee. You can sign it here.
  • The Jacksonville Progressive Coalition is trying to get a bronze statue of a Confederate soldier atop a 60-foot granite pillar in Hemming Park removed. You can go to their Facebook page and ask them to put their petition online here.
  • Efforts are underway to remove an obelisk that commemorates Confederate war dead in front of the Walton County courthouse. The Walton County Democratic party is also trying to get the courthouse to stop flying the Confederate flag. You can sign the petition here

Other monuments with no effort to take them down:

  • The Confederate memorial that adorns the Florida Legislature in Leon County. A group of black Florida’s state senators tried to take it down back in 2015.
  • The monuments – no statues, but plinths, plaques and obelisks  – in Old Town, Trenton, and White Springs, Perry County, and St. Cloud that were all erected in the past 15 years.
  • The monument to Confederate “Cow Cavalry,” Florida cattle herders that kept the Confederacy supplied with food, that was erected in Plant City in 2007 without permission from the county government.
  • The 50-foot pillar topped with a statue of Gen. Lee in the center of Pensacola.
  • The plinth on the grounds of the old Polk County courthouse that celebrates E Company of the 7th Florida Infantry
  • The plaque to Gen. Lee that stands on the side of Highway 319 just north of Tallahassee
  • The monument to “Uncle Bill Lundy,” a supposed Confederate soldier (he would have been 5 at the time of the war) erected in a Crestview park in 1958
  • There’s a Confederate monument in Jacksonville park, which is itself called Confederate Park.
  • There’s an archway dedicated to the Confederate war dead in Key West, a city which remained in Union hands throughout the war.
  • There’s an obelisk in front of the Columbia County courthouse that memorializes the Confederate dead of the battle of Olustee, where a Union force on its way to take Tallahassee was repulsed.
  • There’s a monument to Confederate soldiers in Four Freedoms Park in Madison. It was erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.  
  • There’s a well-preserved zinc monument to the Confederate soldiers of Jackson County,. It stands just north of the courthouse, in a traffic circle. Another monument to the Confederate soldiers who lost their lives in the battle of Marianna is a short distance away.
  • A marble pillar to “our fallen heroes” stands in front of the courthouse in Jefferson County. It memorializes the rebel dead and has a Confederate flag etched into its base.
  • A marble column with a stone rebel soldier stands in Ocala’s Veteran’s Park. It was rededicated in 2011.
  • A bronze statue of a Confederate soldier stands on the grounds of the Putnam County courthouse. An inscription reads “Nor shall your glory be forgot while fame her record keeps.”
  • A marble pillar outside the Gadsden county courthouse, just north of Tallahassee, also memorializes the Confederate soldiery.
  • There’s a memorial to Confederate soldiers in St. Cloud’s Veteran’s Park. St. Cloud was a town founded by veterans of the Grand Army of the Republic.
  • There’s a monument to Confederate veterans in Veterans Plaza, Trenton.
  • The Judah P. Benjamin Confederate Memorial at Gamble Plantation Historic State Park, a former sugar plantation that housed some 200 slaves, also houses a memorial to the rebel war dead. It’s also currently home to the Florida Division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, the group which is responsible for many of these public displays. State funds go to maintaining this park and to giving that organization a home.

By Mario Ariza
Mario Alejandro Ariza is a Dominican immigrant who grew up in Miami. A Michener Fellow in poetry at the University of Miami’s Master in Fine Arts program, he is currently working on a nonfiction book about South Florida and Sea Level Rise. On a day with a good swell and northeasterly breezes, you’ll find him surfing on South Beach (yes, there’s actually surfing Miami.)

  • Vincent Matson

    I like how this anti history left-wing diatribe trying to destroy everything good in Florida and turn Florida into a left-wing hell hole like Calipornia was done by an immigrant. We’re all immigrants a lot of my family are immigrants including the member of my family that was in the first Marilyn rifles Army of Northern Virginia who came from Ireland and fought in the Confederacy to stop Northern aggression.

  • Vincent Matson

    Liberals, revising history since 1965. Sooner you get rid of all of the Confederate monuments, the quicker you can say that it never even happened. The Civil War was about states rights not slavery states rights. Leave are fucking monuments alone you liberal pieces of shit.

  • gail stangeland

    What’s odd about the removal of statues to me is that Grant General Grant and general Sherman held slaves well after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed but Roberty Lee freed his slaves before the Emancipation Proclamation he freed his slaves in 1862 so we should remove all statues of slave owner s not just southern but all.

    • Patrick Boone

      It’s not about slavery dude. It’s about one side going to far and fueling the other side to comeback with a backlash. It’s about those that can’t stop taking as much ground as they can when they already have plenty. It will not stop until we are honest about it. Obama was the first black president and this should be expected, but he is also the first black ex-president and his actions fueled Trumps rise. The young will get older and the younger that come of age after them will switch sides. It’s the way it goes. We must tone this down or it will hide and fester deep in the heart and soul of America. Lee was an honorable man and attacking him is a bridge too far. He fought for his homeland and that is all there is too it. This will gain Trump more support not less. If the Dems want to make a good clean comeback they will become more honorable anddothe right thing by the poor in Apalacha. Obama basicallyleft them behind as he promoted race and made sure he had no white brothers in his “My brother’s Keeper” program. How is that not race based? What did he expect to come out of a very poor left behind white region after that? The best way to combat this is for more and more civil rights leaders to embrace the poor of Apalaticha. The more of them with dark skin the better. That is how we move forward and that is how we defeat racism.

  • Citizen

    And it would seem the “regressive right” responds like ISIS by running down crowds of people,like ISIS sympathizers
    did in France. Sad. Terrorists.

    • MindBlown

      Well in this case it involved the alt-right, as that demographic consist of KKK and white nationalist scumbags. And its really sad what happened to Heather and hopefully there will be a thorough investigation as to why the mayor pulled the riot police away and allowed this to happen.

      • Patrick Boone

        Alt is now a prefix that denotes extremist. I.e.the alt-right and alt-left. Well maybe not atl-light.

    • Patrick Boone

      I was unaware that all people on the right ran over people. Maybe it is true every gay man on earth but me is a pedophile. GET REAL!

    • Vincent Matson

      No it’s more like the right tried to have a rally in Charlottesville to protect history and Antifa and other violent leftists kept on assaulting people in the police just stood by until somebody got surrounded got scared and step on the gas pedal. You fucking liberals lie about everything

  • MindBlown

    The frightening thing about this outcome is how the regressive left are revealed to be identical to that of Taliban when they destroyed ancient monuments in Kabul and Chairman Mao and his red guard in destroying the Chinese values and heritage to further his idea of Cultural Revolution. Just because you don’t like a statue doesn’t mean you have the right to remove it from existence. The memorials are there to remember the confederate soldiers who died and whether you like it or not they were Americans and deserve to be remembered by their families. We are fully aware that slavery is a dark taint in our history but the purpose of history is for current and future generations to learn the mistakes of humanity’s past and to prevent it.
    This brings another concern, how far will the leftist go? First it started with the Confederate flag, now the statues, will they soon go after our history books? They know that the founding fathers were also slave owners but if we were to apply our modern standards of today to the past it would be unfair because I don’t think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and John Madison are bad people because they made what America is today but too many citizens take our freedoms for granted. From a leftist point of view they would see anything made by white men as “EVIL” and therefore would go after our U.S. Constitution but hopefully one day we can put an end to this horrible identity politics before it ever reaches that point.

    • James Nickoloff

      Your argument misses the real point. Do you think Germany should have statues honoring Hitler and Nazism? Should Russia honor Stalin and totalitarianism? Germany rightly teaches its children about Hitler, Nazism, and World War II, and maintains former concentration camps like Dachau as museums so that no one will forget what Nazism and white nationalism led to.

      Removing statues and memorials honoring Confederate leaders and soldiers is not a
      denial of history. It is an effort to face the truth about our history. The so-called “Lost Cause” of the Confederacy was anything butnoble. It was an attempt to maintain the inhuman system of slavery–and to do this through treason. Yes, the Confederates were
      Americans–but they were American traitors, fighting to destroy the Union that Washington, Jefferson, et al. had created. They were willing to see hundreds of thousands of people killed to achieve their ends (over 600,000 deaths in the Civil War, in a country of about 31 million). They killed and maimed fellow Americans–for an evil cause. Yes, they fought bravely–but so did Hitler’s troops who also believed in their cause (of “purifying” the race).

      Yes, Washington and Jefferson and many other 18th-century Founders were slaveholders and apparently had doubts about it. But in the 19th century the debate about slavery was open and fierce and involved the entire country. No one could escape the question about the immorality of slavery. Yet, Robert E. Lee made a careful, calculated, and informed
      decision to turn against his country and defend an inhuman system of forced labor. The decision he and others made had catastrophic consequences. This fateful decision must be remembered–but NOT honored.

      When I look at the faces of the mostly young and mostly male white nationalists demonstrating in Charlottesville and elsewhere, I ask myself: Have these young men seen the pictures of (or better yet visited) Dachau or Auschwitz? Have they seen the photos,
      taken by U.S. troops entering Germany in 1945, of the Jewish bodies piled up? If not, who is in charge of their high school curriculum? Have they visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, DC? If not, why not? Charlottesville is not far from DC.

      No,this is not about “identity politics” or a “leftist point of view.” This is about historical facts which must be faced with openness and courage. If Germany and Japan can do it, so can we.

    • gail stangeland

      Yes I agree because almost all northern generals owned slaves if they were not poor as church mice and you can read the horrendous things with those folks said about black people and when you read what Lincoln himself said about the differences and blacks and whites he should be vilified also so as things go almost all northern statues need to be removed if they are from the Civil War the Lincoln Memorial needs to be removed and Mount Rushmore should be blown up as four of those individuals held slaves

      • MindBlown

        LoL Gail you missed my point. I said its unfair to judge the past with today’s standards since at that time slavery was still popular worldwide despite being evil. Lincoln is questionable but regardless he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. To blow up Mount Rushmore we’d be no better than Jihadist and Mao. Also protesters if allowed to won’t stop there and they’ll continue to destroy everything the founding fathers created to include the Constitution which grants us protection of our human rights.

        • gail stangeland

          Lol you missed my point I was agreeing and being facetious

      • Patrick Boone

        Umm, maybe just maybe…………. the states are built on genocide and the lines need to be redrawn to represent the the Native American tribes the lands were stolen from, and of course renamed thier more legitimate? My god what should we call New Jersey? My god should we keep Canda, Mexico and the USA? Really people were murdered and then the lines were drawn and divided families. Give me a break. This is about the first black president and now he is the first black ex-president. Now we have the Anti-Obama. Should we pump things up so much that he sees fit to go even farther? No history is history and all we can do is hide it so it festers deeper inside those who are offended by us hiding it. Is the the best way to keep the very same evil from rising from the ashes? Is it? Pushing underground so it can fester and get bigger than life? Trying to erase history will surely make it repeat. It allways does.

    • James Nickoloff

      Your argument misses the real point. What would you think of Germany having
      statues honoring Hitler and Nazism? Should Russia honor Stalin and
      totalitarianism? Germany rightly teaches its children about Hitler,
      Nazism, and World War II, and maintains museums like Dachau so that no one will
      forget what Nazism and white nationalism led to.

      Removing statues and memorials honoring Confederate leaders and soldiers is
      not a denial of history. It is an effort to face the truth about our
      history. The so-called “Lost Cause” of the Confederacy was
      anything but noble. It was an attempt to maintain the inhuman system of
      slavery–and to do this through treason. Yes, the Confederates were
      Americans–but they were American traitors, fighting to destroy the Union that
      Washington, Jefferson, et al. had created. They were willing to see
      hundreds of thousands of people killed to achieve their ends (over 600,000
      deaths in the Civil War, in a country of about 31 million). They killed
      and maimed fellow Americans–for an evil cause. Yes, they fought bravely–but
      so did Hitler’s troops who also believed in their cause (of
      “purifying” the race).

      Yes, Washington and Jefferson and many other 18th-century Founders were
      slaveholders and apparently had doubts about it. But in the 19th century
      the debate about slavery was open and fierce and involved the entire
      country. No one could escape the question about the immorality of
      slavery. Yet, Robert E. Lee made a careful, calculated, and informed
      decision to turn against his country and defend an inhuman system of forced
      labor. The decision he and others made had catastrophic
      consequences. This fateful decision must be remembered–but NOT honored.

      When I look at the faces of the mostly young and mostly male white
      nationalists demonstrating in Charlottesville and elsewhere, I ask
      myself: Have these young men seen the pictures of (or better yet visited)
      Dachau or Auschwitz? Have they seen the photos, taken by U.S. troops
      entering Germany in 1945, of the Jewish bodies piled up? If not, who is
      in charge of their high school curriculum? Have they visited the United
      States Holocaust Memorial Museum and the National Museum of African American
      History and Culture in Washington, DC? If not, why not?
      Charlottesville is not far from DC.

      No, this is not about “identity politics” or a “leftist point
      of view.” This is about historical facts which must be faced with
      openness and courage. If Germany and Japan can do it, so can we.

      • Patrick Boone

        Lol the Confederacy was not like the NAZis. The US government inspired them. Hitler used the American concept of Indian Renovations to commit his genocide. Itmayhave been a lie but the Confederacy promisedtogivetheland backtoNative A erica s that was stolen from them in recent years by the Union. Foes thatmean we should destroy all of the memorials to our soldiers who died in the Indian wars and erase thier leaders from history? Does it…… or maybe just maybe you would go with the idea that we should honor them for the good they did but make it clear we as a nation have moved on from genocide? Its political and people are being killed.

        • James Nickoloff

          Which “good” done by U.S. soldiers in the Indian wars are you referring to? Shouldn’t this be judged by the Indians and their descendants? Of course monuments honoring those who carried out genocide ought to be removed.

          • Patrick Boone

            Yeah and I am one of the descendants you speak of. The longest street in Austin where I live is named for a genocidal maniac. Sure I want the street to be slightly renamed. It’s only fair. I however do not call for it to be removed or completely renamed. I call to honor Lamar for the good he did and make sure the young know the evil that got in his heart and made him the genocidal maniac he became. We need to make sure the young know why people did as they did. We do not need to condone evil in any way shape or form. My point is destroying signs of this history is yet about her evil. So I support leaving some for of monument where they sit. I also support taking racism out of the fight. Maybe you will never understand. Maybe you only see the evil done by the elite in the South and none of the evil done by the elite of the North. Lee had honor and he freed slaves willed to him before the war and during the war some Union generals had slaves. You have no idea of what the Union did in the South or why things became the way they did. You have no idea of the horrors young white kids that did not even understand any of this much less take a side had to suffer as a result of over night school integration. The parents with resources removed thier kids from public schools. The poor whites had to just suffer through it. Out numbers and bullied day after day for something they knew nothing about. THIS IS THE REAL CAUSE OF THIS ALT-RIGHT SURGE. History must be known. The evil of all sides must be known. That is how we heal. If we don’t do that it will just fester and build back up. So try seeing things through the eyes of all of your brothers and not just the ones that became popular during the days of the last president. I do not support slavery or anything else that takes more than another has to offer. I know it is evil in of its self. C9ndictions were very different and propaganda is coming from both sides not just one.

      • MindBlown

        What do I think about other countries and their monuments… I could care less bud. They have their problems and we have ours. Since you brought up Germany, they still have subtle memorials and statues to WWI and WWII veterans/Nazis nothing crazy like giant swastikas.

        “Removing statues and memorials honoring Confederate leaders and soldiers is not a denial of history. It is an effort to face the truth about our
        history.” The more reason to leave them up if you want to face them? lol.
        To compare Confederates to Nazis is absurd, the Nazis as you know was lead by a psychopath who believed committing genocide would solve their problems where the Confederates were not driven by hate but by concerns… and yes I understand slavery is evil but they took into account that they were farmers and weren’t industrialized as the north was and depended on cheap labor, they were not on a mission to kill all blacks. They believed that states should have enough power to make decisions on their own over bigger government having too much control which I see today is a huge problem.

        On your last point, this has everything to do with identity politics. What do you think the alt-right is? A bunch of white guys who don’t believe in equality and wish to push their race as the best. On the left you got liberals who promote anti-white rhetoric who are joined by black nationalist and black separatist that want segregation. Left can get away with saying “eradicate all whites” or “kill whitey” on social media. Its even bizarre that some of these demands are made by actual white people lmao.

    • Patrick Boone

      Umm, youdo know the Bill of Rights is translated from thatof the Iroquois Confederacies right? It was not a white invention. The Federal system also is not invented by people of European decent. No it was also Iroquis. Research it and now it has four dots way all over the world thanks to the good ole USA and the honor we find as one when we stop ourfighting and division. Different ideas coming together with people from different cultures to make something great for the Federation or Confederacy if you will. And no Confederacy is not synonymous for slavery hate or Civil War. The US went from the central government not having that muchpower to having all the power after the war. Was it the Army of the USA and the Army of the Codfederacy or was it the Army of GA, NY, MS, OH and so forth? Really look at the history yourself. Even better ifyoureallywant to know what happened in the Civil War what lid up to it and so forth. DO THE RESEARCH! Youdonthave totaled honest word for it. Younger the News Papers from every side onmicrofilm if not online. I did just that when I was 15. I was heard g somanydiffrent things coming from different sides that I had to know the truth. I read both Northern and Southern News Papers. Open your mind and read them or get off the propagander band wagon.

  • Mavelous63

    Never glorify terrorists.
    Long live the Union!

    • Patrick Boone

      Why restart a fight? Is that not what happened with Confederate memorials during the Obama years? Why not honor the good people do and look at the evil that made them do horrible things? Why is there no call to remove memorials of many who committed genocide against native Americans? How is this???? How is it possible that Obama never did anything that an honest person would call extreme? How is that? What if the Anti-Obama gets so much support in his time that he can erase every achievement Obama made? Why must both sides be so hateful? History will never be erased. It can t be. It just goes deeper underground and gains fervor until the true evil of that history rises up in a different generation and as the one before it goes way too far. Why is history politicasized? It is true many in both the North and South owned slaves. It is true some people who fought for the Codfederacy were outright evil. It is just as true that some that fought for the North were. It is true many a young American died while being stuck between two sides during the Civil War. Should we remove everything that honors General Sherman? He burned everything he passed in the South. Is that jot going too far? Is that not evil? Burning things that were owned by some that did not support slavery. Speaking of which N.J. was a hold out state. They fought tooth and nail to retain slavery even as some Southern States were glade to see it go. Even N.Y. had slaves. This is cut from Wikipedia “Historically, the enslavement of overwhelmingly African people in the United States, began in New York as part of the Dutch slave trade. The Dutch West India Company imported 11 African slaves to New Amsterdam in 1626, with the first slave auction being held in New Amsterdam in 1655. The last slaves were freed on July 4, 1827, although many black New Yorkers continued to serve as bound apprentices to their mothers’ masters.[1]”. So I ask one last time is this not political? Do you know that the movement to abolish slavery started in the South? That’s right, GA banned it and was the first jurisdiction in the “New World” to do so. This too is from Wikipedia “Slavery was banned in the Province of Georgia soon after its founding in 1733. The colony’s founder, James Edward Oglethorpe, fended off repeated attempts by South Carolina merchants and land speculators to introduce slavery to the colony. In 1739, he wrote to the Georgia Trustees urging them to hold firm: “If we allow slaves we act against the very principles by which we associated together, which was to relieve the distresses. Whereas, now we should occasion the misery of thousands in Africa, by setting men upon using arts to buy and bring into perpetual slavery the poor people who now live there free.” The struggle between Georgia and South Carolina led to the first debates in Parliament over the issue of slavery, occurring between 1740 and 1742.[3]”. Honestly the first jurisdiction in the “New World” to have slavery was……….. NEW YORK! No kidding and once again from Wikipedia “Historically, the enslavement of overwhelmingly African people in the United States, began in New York as part of the Dutch slave trade. The Dutch West India Company imported 11 African slaves to New Amsterdam in 1626, with the first slave auction being held in New Amsterdam in 1655. The last slaves were freed on July 4, 1827, although many black New Yorkers continued to serve as bound apprentices to their mothers’ masters.[1]”. I despise Neo Nazis, the KIK, and every hate group no matter who they hate. Hate is so evil but really it happens on all sides. History is rewritten all the time. Society however is best when we are honest about it and try our best to promote the most honest version of History possible. If we don’t do that things will fester back and forth from side to side with each side going as far as they can get by with until…….. WE ARE HONEST ABOUT IT!

    • Vincent Matson

      Yeah the union under Trump. Perfectly fine with the Union under Trump. yeah in the union under any conservative president and Congress yeah just fine with me. But as soon as the left tries to take over again and we get another baboon and chief like Obama will be another civil war. The Confederacy was fighting a crooked overbearing federal government. Way different than it is now.

  • Walton County native

    The Walton County memorial was the first in Florida. Shortly after the Civil War, the women of Walton County organized a
    “Ladies´ Memorial Association,” with Jeannet I. McKinnon as president,
    to erect a marble monument honoring Walton County´s Confederate dead.
    The Association raised $250, and the monument was first erected in 1871
    at Valley Church. It was moved to Euchee Anna, the county seat, and then
    to DeFuniak Springs when it became the county seat. It antedates Jim Crow and the United Daughters of the Confederacy by several decades.

  • adamold

    It is interesting that the monument to the confederate soldiers in the Miami City Cemetery was erected in 1913, replacing one of the two most honored positions in the cemetery–the circle for the Daughters of the American Revolution (the other being the circle for Julia Tuttle and her descendants).

    • Mario A Ariza

      Hey that is incredibly interesting. Would you happen to know where I could find hard evidence of this?

      -Mario

      • Actually, the monument was originally in front of the Dade County Courthouse that was built in 1904. It was a 24-foot tall obelisk, and was erected in 1913 and dedicated on Jefferson Davis’s birthday in 1914 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy (which still admit on their website that they “do not consider the cause which [the Confederacy] held so dear to be lost or forgotten”). When the present courthouse was built in 1927, the monument was moved to the Confederate Circle in the City Cemetery. At some point — either before or after the move to the cemetery — the obelisk was toppled by a hurricane. The base is all that remains. So the Confederate Circle predates the monument’s move to the cemetery. I suspect that the UDC took over the DAR circle about the same time it had the monument erected at the courthouse. http://www.flpublicarchaeology.org/civilwar/monuments/miami/our-heroes-old-miami-cemetery

        • Looking in the Miami News archives (which only dates to the beginning of 1904), I found nothing indicating who was the previous owner of what is now the Confederate Circle. But an April 13, 1906 article indicates that the city council had just recently deeded to the UDC “a choice burial lot in the city cemetery.” It was subsequently the center of Confederate Memorial Day celebrations every April 26 for the next half century or so. Confederate Memorial Day is listed still a public holiday in the Florida Statutes. Even if the deed to the UDC cannot be undone, that holiday should be stricken from the books. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ef3de6d1802c5db09f1ff6b7c9841b91b7c274cfcda3fad8367c7a0e71f0d6b.jpg

          • Patrick Boone

            Naw we should have another Civil War instead and figure out whattoerase after that. How dare you relate people whostood up and fought for thier homeland as trators. How stupid can you beto even for one secound think that all who died ina Confedrateuniform wanted the South to leave the union. How dare you promote the idea that everyone that died in a Confederte uniform even supported slavery. The Obama cloud will dissipate and when it does everything that is torn down will be rebuilt. Now go stick you shouting racist up your backside and calm down. I would think that most of the youth that had so much blind support for Obama would have woke up by now. Maybe they should just oepn thier eyes and see thier younger counter parts are not onthe same page as them. THAT IS THEWAY IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED AND ALWAYS WILL.

          • adamold

            jfc, dude, get a grip.

          • You’re plainly a sadly uninformed, unrepentant, historically illiterate, and benighted bigot who is also apparently incapable of using simple paragraphs to express logical thought. Not that you appear to be capable of any semblance of logical thought to begin with.

            But enough with the ad hominems. Let’s parse your wacky and semi-literate ramblings, shall we?

            >How dare you relate people whostood up and fought for thier homeland as trators.

            Their “homeland” was the United States of America, was it not? One cannot have two homelands. So, yes, by seceding from and fighting against the US of A — their actual “homeland” — these people were very much traitors to the US of A.

            >How stupid can you beto even for one secound think that all who died ina Confedrateuniform wanted the South to leave the union.

            Apparently not as stupid as you. (Whoops! There go those nasty ad hominems again!). Even assuming there were a few who did not want the South to leave the “Union” — which is just a period term for the USA — yet who also then fought for the South, the fact remains that they fought for the South against the USA.

            >How dare you promote the idea that everyone that died in a Confederte uniform even supported slavery.

            I’m quite sure that not everyone who died in a Nazi German uniform supported the idea that all Jews should be exterminated. They were “just following orders,” right?

            >The Obama cloud will dissipate . . . .

            Aha. Obama? What? Well, there we are. Bet you think Obama was a communist, crack-smoking Muslim born in Kenya, right?

            >Now go stick your shouting racist up your backside and calm down.

            I believe you are the one who needs to calm down. And “racist”? Really? Against whom? White people? That’s white nationalist talk, you know that, right?

            You lost in 1865. You lost in 1945. And you’ve lost again in 2017.

            The monuments to racism and white supremacy are coming down.

          • Patrick Boone

            Why don’t you go fight your own civil war. You don’t know enough about America or its history to make such statements. When a country breaks apart than people tend to break with the part in which they are from. What’s more is I am half Native American from more than one region of the USA. It is time for people who have little to no roots in the USA to understand that. Feel free to equate that statement with any Latino or anything else you wish. Your asumtion however will not be true. I have no problem with Lations being Latino and I respect them but I also demand respect in return. I have Latinos in my family and grew up around them. I went to a Cuban millitary school when I was a child and loved it. The truth is very simple.it was a civil war. Not all who died for thier homeland be them from the South or North had the political thoughts they were forced to fight for. 62% of Americans feel that those memorals should remain where they are. I happen to be one of them. With that said I do feel we need to address the fact that so many are offended by them. Feel freetoglwrite a book about something you know little about. You have no idea what you are talking about and you do not know enough about American history to be even close to an expert. I was faced with propaganda coming from both sides concerning the Civl War as a teen. I could not understand what to believe at the time. I reconciled this by reading news papers from both sides printed at the time. It is you that has no idea what you are talking about or why things are the way they are. We have not fully reconciled the Civil War and propaganda is still surfacing from both sides. You are pumping things up. It needs to be reconciled not forced into hiding. Slavery was not the biggest issuie of the Civl War. It was used to rally support from the North for the Union. Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves. It allowed for Union states to retain slaves and only applied to areas he had lost control of. Some Northern states held fast to slavery while some Southern States wished to see it go. What the last straw was that sparked the Civil War was a massive tax imposed on modern farming equipment being imported from Europe that was designed to make Southerners buy inferior Union made farm equipment that actually would have made life better for slaves in the South. Advancement in farming was on the verge of obsoleting mass slavery. I do not support slavery but using it as a rally cry to force people in Northern cities that were not much better off than slaves to wear a uniform and very possibly die in battle while they were paid so little that thier families found it hard to eat was not very nice and left a major moral problem for Union soldiers. The South however were fighting for thier homeland and were willing to die for the most part. Lee’s was faced with a massive conflict. He was an American Offercer wearing a uniform from his home state of Virgina. Virgina left the Union. Had he switched sides he would have betrayed his uniform. He was faced with even more complications than that. Part of his state seceded from his state and wentmwith the a north. From my perspective being 1/4 Cherokee I have to also look at thingsfrom a Cherokee perspective. The Cherokee Nation banned slavery before the Civil War. The Cherokee Braves were one of the toughest Confederate regiments. They fought for the Confederacy not for slavery but because the Union had committed genocide against them and the South promised to give them back thier land. So like I said clearly some were fighting for thier homeland and did not support slavery at all. Get a grip and learn what You are going on about and stop jumping on what every band wagon comes rolling by you. Yes the Civl War needs to be reconciled so the USA can move forwards as truly united. We need to find a way to not makesomany offended by those memorials. The best way to do that is to stop the propaganda from all sides and get the facts as they were known at the time. Almost all Americans now know that African Americans are human and most will stand up for thier rights but not at the expense of thier own rights. I do not pledge allegiance to a politcal party or even a regionof the USA. I pledge allegiance tp the USA. I hope we never have to face anouther Civl War but to be honest you have no idea what side of that war you would find yourself on yet. Civl Wars pit brother against brother and youmight even find yourself on the opposite side than other members of your family. Yes you are smart,yes you are inteliget, but you have many years in front of you to become more mature and wiser. I will leave it at that and wish you luck and hope that this little hiccup in American history does not find us at opposite sides of a hot conflict. I do not support Nazis or the POP, but Idounderstand them and I know what is going on inside thier heads to make them do what they do. I stand with my brothers and sisters of all races and I know MLK was correct. It is not race that matters when it’s all said and done but what is in the heart of the person. So feel as you wish and if you wish sell me a racist. I however stand up for all who do not wish to take more that about her has to give when the one infested with that evil can do without it. So beat your drum and fight battles you know little about as you wish.

    • Patrick Boone

      Right and iti’s soon to be replace by a statue of Jose Marti. Just when you thought Jullia Turttle was going to male a comeback. Umm, so what happens after all of that? We tear them all down and put up Native American memorials? I mean what could be more just than that? Maybe all history after conquest should be erased?????? Let’s just kill every part of History that we can manage to get people to agree with. First we should deport all of the descendants ofillegalalliens and preset day illegalalliens. After that they will be the only ones left. Encase you missed it they did not ask white people to bring not even one black person to thier land. Yeah that will bring absolute justice. This is sick.

  • chris

    Florida is currently represented by Confederate General Edmund Kirby Smith, who fled the country after the war so as not to be hung for treason, and the man who invented air conditioning.

  • America is made up of strange bedfellows. I was in Olustee decades ago to shoot a doc on the battle of Olustee. The town holds an annual reenactment of the battle every year with hundreds participating in uniforms, etc. This includes black members repping the 54th Massachusetts Infantry who history shows fought bravely in the losing cause (the Rebels drove the Yankees back in the only major Civil War battle in Fla). Being from “cosmopolitan” Miami made for quite a jarring experience. Although we were welcomed, we could not escape the feeling we were intruders and at best tolerated by the reenactment’s organizers who were muy proud of their ancestral and historical association with that battle where wounded black Union soldiers were systematically murdered by Confederate solders on the battlefield.

    • Mario

      That’s a heck of a story. I read up on the battle a bit as part of my research for the article, and I’m really fascinated by this idea of local pride in the “lost cause.” Would love to see your documentary!

      Mario

      • Leah Sherman

        …”idea of local pride in the lost cause.” shades of Bay of Pigs Invasion.

      • Mario, here’s a link to the video: http://bit.ly/2uI9h41 Unfortunately, it is currently not available. However, maybe you can get a copy from the producer, John Leeward: http://bit.ly/2uHKVaI Good luck.

      • Patrick Boone

        The civil War was also about state’s rights and now it is the GOP and not the Dems on the side of state’s rights. This istruely a sore part of American history we have failed to reconcil. Trying to hid it WILL NOT HELP RECONCILE IT! The desandants of Confederate refugess in Brazil have reconciled this history and today are very much mixed race.

    • Patrick Boone

      Lol how about the Confederados of Brazil? No really wiki it. Wanna see how this is all B.S. politics and what would have happened had Lee’s wish of force not to be used but I stead religion to end slavery? Yeah look it up Buddy and see for yourself how anyside can brain wash people. Lol they love the Confedracy thier heritage and they are now MIXED RACE! Of yeah and they speak Portuguese. And eat food that are based Southern tradition of the USA. So Obama managed to gethis political agenda through bypromoting the idea you have. Lets hope Trump does nothave to feel the need to go so far to get his aganda trough. We have to get pastthis BS blackwhite and my side is the only justified side BS or our country will forever be torn.